http://www.channel4.com/programmes/in-the-best-possible-taste-grayson-perry/4od
this is good, he asks intellligent questions and listens to the answers. In the past i found his tv appearances irritating, he affected a philistine attitude to contemporary art, playing up or repeating the stereotypes about it.
He has a therapeutic approach to talking to people, keeps getting them to answer another question.